Woolwich gets ‘back to business’ – no, really, honest…

I spent a little time in Berlin last week, and visited the DDR Museum. More serious historians complain that it glosses over some of East Germany’s grimmer aspects, but for primer on life under a thoroughly nasty regime, it’s well worth a visit. One thing that struck me was the control the Communist dictators had over the country’s media, from duff propaganda films to an iron grip on the printed press. Most people only ever saw one point of view about their local affairs expressed in print.

Watching a film about housing, and looking at copies of Neues Deutschland, a feeling of eerie familiarity began to take hold.

Taking claims and treating them as facts? Acknowledging just one point of view? Plenty of photographs of the party leader? Indeed, the suspicion that all this was just here to bolster the position of the party leader? Where had I seen all that before?

Then I got home, and I discovered the council’s started delivering Neues Greenwich… sorry, Greenwich Time to my door again. Full of interesting material to discuss with the Brigade about choice-based housing, some stuff happening in parks, and other successes to bolster the image of the… yeah, yeah, you get it.

Inside, a centre spread about Woolwich that sounded so exciting, I had to get there straight away.

Here’s some jolly chaps underneath a hoarding that cost a supposedly cash-strapped council £8,038 of taxpayers’ money (and was ordered the day after the “Woolwich wall” was painted over).

“There’s an upbeat atmosphere sweeping through the streets of Woolwich this week as people celebrate all that’s good about living, working, and shopping in the town,” it cheered, adding that this was “Woolwich Back to Business Week” and we should “celebrate the town’s exciting regeneration, and draw a line under August’s disorder”.

Draw a line? We’ve barely even started! This week saw Wandsworth Council release findings from an independent report into its experience of the rioting, in Battersea, discussing why there were so few riot-trained police to defend the town.

The same question could be asked of Woolwich, where the lack of police protection was painfully clear to anyone stranded in the area. But two months on, there’s been no public meeting, no explanation from the police commander, nothing to reassure residents, and not even a meeting of councillors.

Still, let’s draw a line underneath the riots, and pretend they never happened, eh?

Local skateboarders are heeding the council’s advice, mind, and drawing lines all over the newly-done-up General Gordon Square, which looks a mess just weeks after it belatedly opened.

Stalls are up to mark “Woolwich Back to Business Week” – but there was no evidence of business there on my visit, except for a man dressed as a Nando’s chicken. Even he wasn’t hanging around. Instead, the stalls were the usual sorry-looking collection of council and NHS-related stalls, staffed by bored-looking souls who looked like they’d rather be getting some proper work done than hanging around in a tent soliciting “suggestions for a royal borough”.

One cheery soul from an organisation I’d never heard of, the Greenwich Partnership, handed me a glossy brochure so I could “find out what’s happening in Greenwich”. Since the booklet was dated “2006-2015”, it all seemed like it’d been decided anyway.

Powis Street looked the same as usual. Not really much to celebrate. I bumped into the Nando’s chicken man again, and builders are now working on the wrecked Blue Inc shop. On the corner of Hare Street – here it is in happier days – the latest occupant of what used to be Burton’s is shutting down.

I stopped at the old Art Deco Co-Op department store, shut since the 1990s and now looking in an even worse way than before, with no known plans for its future. Indeed, the Co-Operative closed its last retail outlet in Woolwich earlier this year, severing long-held links with the town.

One of the “back to business” boasts is that there’ll be a new hotel in the old Royal Arsenal Co-Operative Society HQ opposite – but this is what guests will see from their windows…

Greenwich Council can shout “Woolwich back to business” as much as it likes. But with a chunk of the town centre left rotting away, major chains pulling out (whatever happened to The Body Shop?) and pound shops proliferating, on top of the damage caused by the riot, it’s clear that there’s a long way until Woolwich gets back to respectability. And how many of these smaller businesses will survive the imminent arrival of a Tesco?

Indeed, what is the future shape of Woolwich town centre, with Tesco moving its centre of gravity further east? Nobody knows – or nobody’s saying, at least.

This isn’t to do Woolwich down. There’s plenty to celebrate in Woolwich – from its royal and military past, through to its role in the founding of the modern co-operative movement. Heck, it was the birthplace of the ill-fated Auto-Stacker, if nothing else. And there’s an amazing range of people there, from recent migrants to long-established families clinging on to the old town.

But this “celebration” isn’t about the people, nor is it about the history. It’s about “the town’s exciting regeneration”, something which hasn’t happened yet – apart from the council’s new offices – and which lies solely in the hands of the council and large multinational companies. So basically, people are being told to “celebrate” the actions of the council – at an event which is being marked with a military parade which will be met by, no, not the mayor, but Greenwich Council leader Chris Roberts.

Generations of old East German communists would be proud to preside over a celebration of civic building works and the military. If a child runs up to present a flower to the Dear Leader, be worried.

Of course, East Germany fell when its people saw that things were better elsewhere, and when the dictators’ lapdog allies realised they’d have to grow some backbone after 40 years of doing as they were told and believing in illusions.

Whether similar change will come to Woolwich, and the borough of Greenwich, remains to be seen.


  1. What Woolwich needs is somebody to buy up the short let shops and let them out to proper retailers. With regards to the rest of the town rotting away that has belong variously to the Co-op and the University – until the wider economic situation improves it is very unlikely that any solutions will be found for these in terms of profitable development,.

    I agree with you about Tesco moving the focus of the town Centre… already the top end of Powis Street is unattractive and only likely to become more so – especially when you take into account that there are several other reasonably sized retail units included within the Tesco development which could move any other big names (Boots perhaps, who must hate their location?!)

    Greenwich Time turned up at our house too. I suggested wrapping green bin rubbish in it as we are still waiting for the Council to deliver our cornstarch bags!

  2. To be fair, the Borough Commander did address some local businesses at the new Civic Centre in August, including the Chamber of Commerce, but I’m not sure who got invites to that. There was another meeting by the Woolwich Wall the same night which I believe Cllr Roberts refused to attend. Am I right?

    Seems the people trying to regenerate The Woolwich Grand are not getting much help from the Council either …
    “Dear Friends, due to our wonderful council the market will now not happen until further notice, this is because they are not issuing our certificate fast enough. We had also intended to have entertainment in the evening but in the best interest of everyone concerned we will also postpone this until further notice. This is very dissapointing as you can imagine and is getting beyond a joke now, we can only appologise to everybody, please bear with us, we shall overcome.”

  3. Hi Warren – addressing local businesses is not the same as engaging with local residents. There’s no point in addressing local businesses if local people are too scared to do their shopping in Woolwich.

    The meeting by the wall was boycotted by the entire council – the group who set it up lost heart and gave up in the face of council opposition.

  4. The state of the Co-Op still makes me glum every time I walk past it.

    Woolwich still feels subdued when I’ve been; we still have shops yet to reopen post-Riots and the great gap where Blue Inc. used to be feels like an open wound. Blue Inc. are reopening in the old Ethel Austin, but I have heard nothing about the other still-closed shops.

  5. Oooh I’ve been to the DDR Museum. There’s a humorous display about East Germans having a real penchant for nudist caps – it optimised their rejection of the constrains of communism. Not sure it’ll catch on in SE18 though.

  6. Darryl,

    I do think things are improving though.

    Sainsbury’s is being done up for the first time since it opened. With a Deli, a pizza and hot food counterl and wet fish counter.

    The Body Shop / Game units are being knocked in to one and reopening as Deichmann Shoes.

    Blue Inc reopened in the old Ethel Austen unit. Primark are doing their unit up. They could have shut it considering there is one at Westfield Stratford.

    Travelodge is starting in the old department store, and finally the corner site ex Burtons looks like it will be developed soon

    I cannot see that the old Art deco store will remain empty for long.

    In addition there is a Premier Inn to be built next to the DLR and a boutique hotel in the Arsenal along with the Tesco Express that recently opened.

    Shopping isn’t great but it is improving – it’s a start. I have seen town centres far worse than Woolwich.

    One thing I was told when I emailed M and S. They have no intention of doing their store up as it’s an outlet store but they are going to be selling more food.

    I did hope that Costa would open another unit in Woolwich as they had two here before. But alas there are no plans to do so at the moment.

    At least things are changing for the better. Isn’t that something to be pleased about.

  7. By the way whilst the big Tesco does move the town centre eastwards. Remember, Travelodge in the Western part of Powis Street and the TK Maxx / H and M Hennes to open on the Burton site when it’s redeveloped along with a modernised Primark will attract investment to the west end for the first time in 40 years.

    Body Shop pulled out because Woolwich is poor the demographics had changed. Same with Game and Costa on Powis Street

    They look at demographics and also leases are expensive. Powis Street Estates own the whole of Woolwich including the Art Deco store. I think a planning application will be made to turn it in to apartments and maybe shops I cannot see it staying as it is for long not with a Travelodge opening next summer

  8. The only other remaining empty stores by the way that haven’t reopened post riots are

    JD Sports – which will be reopening once the fire damage is repaired.
    Wimpy store to reopen in January 2012 due to fire damage.
    Blue Inc (old site ) to be re-built and let to a new national retailer.
    T Mobile reopening later this month.
    Pound Mart (in Wilkinsons building) not reopening – rumoured that Wilkinsons may take this instead.
    Wetherspoons ( reopening but may be not at current site which could form part of the Tesco town centre development along with the post office and delivery office which recently shut).

    All are due to reopen. The only one that didn’t reopen was Game and that was because they own Gamestation and decided to close Game and sell the lease to Deichmann Shoes.

    The Nationwide ( oops ex Nationwide is also under offer though it could be another betting shop)

    Compared to many towns including Eltham and even Bexleyheath I don’t think Woolwich is that bad

  9. Thanks for the updates on the shops Gabriella – if the event’s called “Back to Business” week, shouldn’t this information be the kind of thing that’s being shouted from the rooftops, or at least exhibited in the stalls in General Gordon Square, instead of the same old council stalls?

    Indeed, it’s certainly time the mysterious Powis Street Estates revealed itself – as it’s almost certainly got more clout over Woolwich than the council has.

  10. I would agree with you there. If you want more info on the secretive Powis Street Estates best view their agents Craddick Retail and CO 2011 which is the website to google.

    The Travelodge is already for sale and that’s before it’s even built. Obviously there is money to be made from Woolwich

    It would be great if someone like BHS could return to Woolwich – I do agree with you the council can only do so much not that they had any vision anyway but I would like a Top Shop back here but I don’t think that will happen given the current economic environment and with Westfield Stratford do you?

  11. Ps Daryl,

    I have just read the brochure for the sale of the Travelodge Investment on Craddicks Retail 2011 website

    It shows that TK Maxx are taking the Burtons corner and the Art Deco Department store is proposed to conversion for flats. What a shame

  12. Thanks again Gabriella – at least it’d see the place back in use. And it is confirmation that the town centre will shift further east.

    Do you have a link for the brochure? (I know I could search and all that…)

  13. Try this I am not that good with things like this but http://www.craddick.co.uk/Admin/media/brochure or try
    http://www.craddick.co.uk click on news section then “Travelodge Investment for sale in Woolwich” and when you click on the brochure go on to situation under pdf and it confirms Burton corner is under offer to TK Maxx ( seems sensible as they are fairly cheap) and there seems to be a sense to make Woolwich a discount town centre instead of mid range, and it also confirms plans to turn the art deco building opposite the travelodge in to residential. Hope this works

  14. Seems I have typed the wrong thing in so Craddiock Retail Property 2011 – is what you need on google

  15. A good show for the parade and tree rededication this morning and a decent turn out considering how early it was. No prizes for guessing which councillor took his seat late, demoted the lieutenant-colonel to lieutenant in his speech and has his name inscribed on two of the three memorial plaques under the trees.

  16. Noticed today a planning application for Ladbrokes to open next to Paddy Power in the Woolwich Equitable Building, obviously a relocation from their old fire damaged shop on Woolwich New Road

    What a shame that betting shops have proliferated in that building. Such a waste instead they could have been bars or restaurants. But this council has no vision

  17. re: Woolwich Equitable Building
    What role does the council have over who the tenants there? Is it a council owned building?

  18. It isn’t it’s owned by Powis Street Estates but there is a licensing application for Ladbrokes in the unit adjacent to Paddy Power another betting shop in the same building it seems such a tragedy that this landmark building is being wasted

    Though I hear that if Ladbrokes move there that means their old site and the Poundmart could become the new Wetherspoons relocation if the old site is pulled down

    I also understand that someone said Boots wants to relocate. I understand they will be relocating to one of the large units adjacent to Tesco when it opens next year or in 2013 that will mean another empty shop in Hare Street and proves the town centre is moving Eastwards

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